Re: Yeah, but.....

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Posted by Diane on July 10, 2004 at 19:00:25:

In reply to: Yeah, but..... posted by Debra on July 10, 2004 at 00:58:55:

: On my test strands (I took many before last hair cut), I did every
: combo of the extras using Catherine's henna--lemon, wine, ground
: expresso, and very black brewed coffee . While the pastes looked
: different, after a few washes the test strands all looked the same
to me.
:
: On my head I went with red wine in initial mix and added a bit of
hot
: black coffee after the overnight dye release. I'd happily take more
: burgandy or brown, but the additives didn't do much to my hair.
:
: My hair looks exactly like the test strands, it just doesn't look
very
: good on me in mass. It may be first time redhead shock, but it
would
: look better and be less shocking without the warm copper tone.
:
: I really need to color the grey and the henna did a great job with
: that, can't find one. I think my old blonde highlights are a big
part
: of the problem since they are glowing copper. They will eventually
: grow out but I can't wait that long the way it looks now. Letting
it
: wear out isn't going to work.
:
: I am patiently waiting out the oxidation and when the indigo
arrives I
: may do a 50/50 henna indigo mix and leave it on longer than 4 hours.
: Darker would be better.
:
: Anyone try this with success? Any major mistakes I should avoid?
: Anyone hate their red hair on them at first, but learned to love it
: with time?

Nothing wrong with the extras you put in your mix. I wouldn't agree
with Shiraz based on my own experience trying all sorts of mixes.

Just like you, I found that my test samples all looked more or less
the same no matter what mix I used, and that includes trying 4
different types of henna! ( I got samples from a UK supplier). It was
almost comical. I'd be straining to see subtle differences, which
when they did exist were probably as much to do with subtle
differences in the hair samples themselves.

Also, like you, my hair turned out exactly like the test samples, but
just looked different with the overall effect of a full head of
colour! I also have "cool" colouring in spite of the fact that I am a
natural redhead. The extremely orangey/copper tones I get with henna
even look a bit wrong on me. It is a shock at first, I have to
confess, I now plan henna sessions around days when I don't have to
go out in public too much, and often resort to bandanas the first few
days, LOL.

However, no two ways about it, give it a week (it takes more than 2
or 3 days for me) for oxidation to do its thing and it definitely
does tone down the orange. More than likely though it will still be
more coppery than you may have wanted. I have learned to live with
and love the orange because I LOVE the other benefits of henna for my
hair -- the thicker shinier hair I get with it is hard to give up.
The other thing about the orange tones is that they are actually a
lot more natural than the "cooler" reds that chemical dyes can
produce. Look around at natural redheads and its always some degree
of orange.

None of this is too helpful to you I know, but the only other thing I
can offer is that the only variable that made a difference to the
colour I got was not what was in the mix as much as the length of
time on, so yes try longer; also, Kim from MI (Kim A I think on the
mixes page) has experince with using indigo to cool down her orangey
tones. It definitely worked for her so check out her mix for how she
did it. And don't forget, repeated hennas add to the dimension of the
colour. I am still bright chestnut, but now its a richer, deeper
chestnut. Its a really amazing colour that I can't see anyone
achieving with chemicals.

Good luck getting the colour you want (or at least can live with!)
you will probably find it growing on you, and again just think how
good it is for your hair...

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: : On my test strands (I took many before last hair cut), I did every : : combo of the extras using Catherine's henna--lemon, wine, ground : : expresso, and very black brewed coffee . While the pastes looked : : different, after a few washes the test strands all looked the same : to me. : : : : On my head I went with red wine in initial mix and added a bit of : hot : : black coffee after the overnight dye release. I'd happily take more : : burgandy or brown, but the additives didn't do much to my hair. : : : : My hair looks exactly like the test strands, it just doesn't look : very : : good on me in mass. It may be first time redhead shock, but it : would : : look better and be less shocking without the warm copper tone. : : : : I really need to color the grey and the henna did a great job with : : that, can't find one. I think my old blonde highlights are a big : part : : of the problem since they are glowing copper. They will eventually : : grow out but I can't wait that long the way it looks now. Letting : it : : wear out isn't going to work. : : : : I am patiently waiting out the oxidation and when the indigo : arrives I : : may do a 50/50 henna indigo mix and leave it on longer than 4 hours. : : Darker would be better. : : : : Anyone try this with success? Any major mistakes I should avoid? : : Anyone hate their red hair on them at first, but learned to love it : : with time? : : Nothing wrong with the extras you put in your mix. I wouldn't agree : with Shiraz based on my own experience trying all sorts of mixes. : : Just like you, I found that my test samples all looked more or less : the same no matter what mix I used, and that includes trying 4 : different types of henna! ( I got samples from a UK supplier). It was : almost comical. I'd be straining to see subtle differences, which : when they did exist were probably as much to do with subtle : differences in the hair samples themselves. : : Also, like you, my hair turned out exactly like the test samples, but : just looked different with the overall effect of a full head of : colour! I also have "cool" colouring in spite of the fact that I am a : natural redhead. The extremely orangey/copper tones I get with henna : even look a bit wrong on me. It is a shock at first, I have to : confess, I now plan henna sessions around days when I don't have to : go out in public too much, and often resort to bandanas the first few : days, LOL. : : However, no two ways about it, give it a week (it takes more than 2 : or 3 days for me) for oxidation to do its thing and it definitely : does tone down the orange. More than likely though it will still be : more coppery than you may have wanted. I have learned to live with : and love the orange because I LOVE the other benefits of henna for my : hair -- the thicker shinier hair I get with it is hard to give up. : The other thing about the orange tones is that they are actually a : lot more natural than the "cooler" reds that chemical dyes can : produce. Look around at natural redheads and its always some degree : of orange. : : None of this is too helpful to you I know, but the only other thing I : can offer is that the only variable that made a difference to the : colour I got was not what was in the mix as much as the length of : time on, so yes try longer; also, Kim from MI (Kim A I think on the : mixes page) has experince with using indigo to cool down her orangey : tones. It definitely worked for her so check out her mix for how she : did it. And don't forget, repeated hennas add to the dimension of the : colour. I am still bright chestnut, but now its a richer, deeper : chestnut. Its a really amazing colour that I can't see anyone : achieving with chemicals. : : Good luck getting the colour you want (or at least can live with!) : you will probably find it growing on you, and again just think how : good it is for your hair...
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